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Why don't you let the community continue to run it ?

Comment by Tom Chiverton

[i am removing this comment and replacing it with a new one above. this portal doesn’t let us edit prior comments without removing all line-end characters, making a long comment a jumble. I’ve reported this issue to Adobe months ago. Grr.]

Comment by Charlie Arehart

Or they could let someone in the community take over the domain and hosting (while modifying the site to clarify its no longer Adobe-run). I would be willing. And I would propose we make the site read-only, such that no more changes or even comments would be allowed. This way the site would remain for historical value, given all the forum threads and blog posts on the web that may point to projects there. Even some projects that have not been updated in years are still useful (as was demonstrated in Rob Dudley’s talk at cfcamp in Oct on the ubikey USB security device, for which he’d posted code years ago that still worked). There are many other such projects that are still useful. Still, it certainly makes sense to suggest that owners/contributors of actively edited projects move them to github, and then a pointer to that github project could then be added on respective riaforge project page (the only edits that would be allowed on the riaforge site). The old comments and other non-code content for the project could remain--for posterity,  again in read-only mode. And heck, the riaforge site code itself could be moved to github also, to allow community contributions in managing it (though being a read-only site, that’s not really as necessary as it would be if the whole site was continuing to evolve). Again, I’d be willing to take on the hosting and above mods, for the sake of the community and for the value of those useful projects still there, especially where the original maintainers of a project are gone--or may not be motivated to push the project to github. If the site vanishes instead, all that code and content (not moved to github before then) would vanish with it. And I or others who might only USE some project might still be motivated move to MOVE some project to github, if only to improve its exposure. What do folks and Adobe/Rakshith think? BTW, before anyone is tempted to refer to this as "another example of Adobe showing a lack of interest in CF" or worse,  "another nail in the coffin for CF", I would argue it's just a reasonable step in evolution of code-sharing sites, most of which have moved to central code repos (even Google code and ms codeplex repos have closed down in recent years, in favor of github and others).

Comment by Charlie Arehart

I wholeheartedly agree that RIAForge is still useful. And if anyone is qualified and should be trusted to archive such a resource, it's Mr. Arehart.

Comment by JocularGargoyle

+1 to let the community run it.

Comment by Michael Thomas

Eventually, github is a brilliant idea, it reflects the tendency to centralize repos and go with the future proof portals. And I support Charlie absolutely, the projects on riaforge are still valuable for many people, not only for historic but practical reasons. We are the leading swiss survey software provider, using coldfusion, railo and lucee for years, actually from the beginnings, and are very committed to all coldfusion matters. we also offer to take over hosting of <a href="http://riaforge.org/" rel="nofollow">riaforge.org</a> for free with all the traffic and features, not only read-only, but also actively, in case, this is what the community wants, in our data center in zürich, switzerland. if this is an option, especially concerning legal point of view, please contact us on <a href="mailto:info@onlineumfragen.com" rel="nofollow">info@onlineumfragen.com</a> using the e-mail subject "riaforge.org hosting" (just to prevent spam). If our firm can do the community a favor, we would love to. best regards Raffael

Comment by hansdampf234

Thanks, JG. And to Tom and Michael, when I made my comment (in reply to Tom's first), I prefaced it with "or" meaning if Adobe might balk at a generic proposal of "the community" somehow "continuing to run it". I was just proposing a more concrete proposal. I'm open myself to any means to best keep it useful.

Comment by Charlie Arehart

Thanks for stepping up, Raffael, and for your commitment as an org to CF/CFML.

Comment by Charlie Arehart

Makes me feel glad I adopted and adapted Brian Kotek's formutils. Even so, I wish there was a systematic way to get everything over to Github or somewhere.

Comment by James Mohler

Another idea being discussed in CFML Slack is moving packages that are active over to ForgeBox, which is still actively developed, supports package versioning, is professionally supported, and has CLI tooling already in place.  Many RIAForge projects are already on ForgeBox but we could import the remaining ones and redirect the domain.

Comment by Bradley Wood

Another great idea, Brad. As for redirecting, though, would you think you'd capture all the historical info currently in RF? I'd suspect not--and I'd understand deciding it's not worth the bother. Just asking if it's been considered (by those discussing a proposed move to FB. It's certainly better than it all just going away, if none of the other options proposed so far were taken. :-) And anything is better than it just going away, of course.

Comment by Charlie Arehart

If we could get a DB dump, I could script it into ForgeBox in mass.  There are, of course, questions that would need to be answered: What user would we associate the projects with? Do we auto-create users for them or is that too much? Would Adobe even give us the DB? Would we have permission to post people's project without an explicit consent? MANY of the download links are dead. Do we try and track those down, or just give up on them? I've written a small CommandBox CLI Task runner which is grabbing all the binaries from the site that still have valid download URLs so at least we'll have those if nothing else.  I posted the code in a thread in Slack in case anyone is curious how a Task Runner works

Comment by Bradley Wood

OK, thanks, and glad to hear of that discussion. Hope you may get answers from Adobe, if they'll consider that (or indeed any) idea. I do hope we will see some reply from someone well before that looming deadline.

Comment by Charlie Arehart

<p>Could anyone from Adobe step in with any comment on the various offers below?</p><p>The clock is indeed ticking.</p>

Comment by Charlie Arehart

Thanks to folks who have posted various suggestions on the way forward. Unfortunately, transferring the ownership of RIAForge to some other entity/person other than Adobe is not an option here. In fact, this is the first thing we checked. I had even reached out to Pete Freitag asking him if he was interested in managing this site going forward for the community. We cannot do so because the repositories were shared by project owners to us with associated licenses. We cannot transfer the ownership of such a repository to a third party. To create a new repository(community maintained or otherwise) the project owners should be willing to share their corresponding projects again to that new repository. That is the only way forward.

Comment by Rakshith Naresh

Is there any word on moving these projects to RiaForge?

Comment by johnf30202955

What if we transfer the ownership of RIAForge to the Ortus group. Then they have the rights as owners of RIAForge, correct?

Comment by johnf30202955

The problem is with projects where the project owners have moved on, and who therefore won't bother. And since nearly all the projects use the Apache open source license, those motivated to move things to a new repo could seemingly do so on their own. But to be clear, my goal was to be able for you to provide access to the resources "from the backend" to facilitate that, rather than forcing them to have to screenscrape everything. If others may be motivated to take on that task, perhaps some code will be saved. Otherwise, it will be lost. Some may argue that "at least we'll have the archive.org wayback machine", and that's true--until the domain registration lapses and some scammer buys it, and puts in a robots.txt, and then archive.org will also stop access to the archive of the site. If someone may be motivated to setup screenscraping to grab and somehow preserve everything, and setup some means to access things going forward, do let us know here. (I can't commit to that right now.)

Comment by Charlie Arehart

According to the RIAForge website, the last date/time to access its projects is Noon PST tomorrow (4/16/19). Has there been a resolution on the matter of the project code repositories? The hole in the Adobe CF Builder  2018 Welcome Screen is a small but significant part of the impact of this loss, and so while I'm personally not depending on its existence, I'm curious from a historical perspective whether or not the code will live on elsewhere.    

Comment by Andy Peterson